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CHEYENNE -- Some Wyoming legislators are pushing a bill that would make it a felony to harbor or transport illegal immigrants in the state. The bill also would deny some public benefits to illegal immigrants.

Supporters of the bill say their intention is to make Wyoming employers careful not to hire illegal immigrants, and they emphasize the bill is not intended to target Hispanics. The Legislature rejected a similar bill last year.

Opponents of such legislation argue that controlling immigration is the responsibility of the federal government. They say that similar legislation around the country unfairly targets Hispanic citizens because of the large number of illegal immigrants from Mexico and other Spanish-speaking countries.

Rep. Pete Illoway, R-Cheyenne, is the main supporter of the Wyoming bill, House Bill 103.

"I want people to be aware that they've got to be careful in whom they hire, and they can't just go hire illegals," Illoway said. "I've got people, and you know them well, who will say, 'You're targeting Hispanics.' I am not targeting anybody; I am targeting illegal immigration."

Illoway said illegal immigrants shouldn't receive state unemployment benefits, workers compensation payments or other benefits.

"We should be trying to hire our own first," Illoway said. "The immigrants should go through the legal channels."

Linda Burt, executive director of the ACLU in Wyoming, said she sees problems with the Wyoming bill and others around the country.

"These kinds of bills are unnecessary because these kinds of laws are federal issues; they're not state issues," Burt said. "States cannot solve the immigration problems on a state-by-state basis. Reform must come on a national level. These kinds of bills, unfortunately, are very divisive bills."

The ACLU and other groups have challenged similar laws in other states on constitutional grounds. The ACLU has argued in court that a city ordinance in Pennsylvania that sought to punish landlords and employers who rent to or employ illegal immigrants was unconstitutional.

"From a moral aspect, the thing that seems so basically wrong to me is that these laws are so mean-spirited, and that really concerns me," Burt said. She also noted that many Wyoming businesses that employ immigrants could be hurt by such a bill.

A tough law against illegal immigrants went into effect in Oklahoma early last year. As the Wyoming proposal would do, the Oklahoma law makes it a crime to harbor or transport an illegal immigrant and specifies that they can't receive certain government services.

Some business groups, including the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the Tulsa Metro and Oklahoma State chambers of commerce, have challenged the Oklahoma law in federal court. A federal judge there has agreed to bar state officials from enforcing some provisions of the law and a federal appeals court in Denver now is considering the matter.

Guillermo Rojas is editor of the Tulsa weekly newspaper La Semana del Sur and a member of the Governor's Advisory Council on Hispanic and Latino Affairs in Oklahoma. He said he believes the law in that state was motivated by anti-Hispanic sentiment.

"They can put it a different way, but 90 percent or 95 percent of the immigrants that come into Oklahoma are Hispanic," Rojas said.

The Oklahoma law has had wide-ranging effects on that state's Hispanic community, Rojas said. He said many immigrant families have members who are documented as well as undocumented. The law makes it a crime for family members to transport or house each other, he said.

Rojas said the law also puts churches that cater to immigrants in a difficult position. He said clergy who serve immigrants refuse to accept any government prohibition on helping their congregations, even if that means transporting an illegal immigrant to church or otherwise helping them.

Meanwhile, Rojas said business groups are opposing the law because it's hurting businesses in Oklahoma.

"I live in Tulsa, and it's impacting the economy of the city of Tulsa because most of the people who paid the traffic infractions, and all the other types of things, they were Hispanics," Rojas said. "Almost 20 percent of them left the state. There's no money from fines. There's no money from the Hispanics buying groceries, or buying at Wal-Mart, or buying lunch or dinner in a restaurant."

Rep. Owen Petersen, R-Lyman, is one of the co-sponsors of the bill with Illoway. He also said the bill isn't trying to target any particular group.

"I am certainly not against immigration, as long as it follows legal process," Petersen said. "That's what it amounts to. It's not against any nationality, or anything along those lines."

Petersen noted that some businesses in Wyoming are laying off workers in the recent economic downturn.

"The people that are working here ought to have the opportunities to obtain employment on a legal basis, because they're here legal," Petersen said. "They pay taxes, and do other things, and that's really what motivates me to be a sponsor on the bill."

Petersen said that discouraging illegal immigration into Wyoming may also help immigrants themselves.

"What you're getting is human trafficking type situations," Petersen said. "And I feel sorry for the people that are in an illegal immigration status, because they are not afforded rights and protections under the law that I have, and other people who are legal residents of the State of Wyoming."

"A lot of them are victimized, just between you and I, they're paid substandard wages, the housing conditions are frequently horrible, and they know that if they say anything, they're subject to deportation," Petersen said.


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Fed up wrote on Jan 12, 2009 7:58 PM:

" It's about time Wyoming realized that there is a problem. I'm getting taxed and those procedes are going partly to health care and welfare of people that have never paid into the system. Maybe if we can let all these illegals know that they're NOT welcome here and they WON'T be catered then we can start taking care of our own people. And I think the ACLU needs to just DISBAN! What a completely worthless organization. "

Estoban wrote on Jan 13, 2009 7:51 AM:

" "From a moral aspect, the thing that seems so basically wrong to me is that these laws are so mean-spirited, and that really concerns me," Burt said. She also noted that many Wyoming businesses that employ immigrants could be hurt by such a bill."
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Mean-spirited is over staying visas or stealing across borders and driving down wages and taking jobs from the citizens of the country you have invaded. E-Verify is free, simple and 99.6% accurate. It has been upheld as a legal requirement in Arizona through a number of court rulings. "

BULL wrote on Jan 13, 2009 8:31 AM:

" Finally , a politician who is trying to do the right thing. For once I actually go along with a Republican. "

Casper Resident wrote on Jan 13, 2009 8:59 AM:

" If you really want to address the problem of illegal immigration; pass a law to crack down on employers who hire illegal immigrants and enforce it. If there's no opportunities here for illegal immigrants, they will have no reason to come here and this will not be a problem. "

Delaware Bob wrote on Jan 13, 2009 9:11 AM:

" Well, this is GOOD NEWS! I'm happy to see that Wyoming is stepping up to the plate to crackdown on this illegal immigration. Our Federal Government has failed us BIG TIME on this illegal immigration.

I e-mail two friends in Oklahoma and they tell me their law is working BEAUTIFUL! Schools are less crowded, hospitals are no longer overwhelmed with the illegals, crime is down, no gangs waiting on corners for jobs, people have their communities back and ALL businesses are on a level playing field...and unemployment is down a little.

If EVERY state would pass the Oklahoma law, we could have our Country back from this INVASION of the ILLEGAL ALIENS.

Then you have these so called activist groups that want AMNESTY for these ILLEGAL ALIENS. It would be absolute suicide for this Country if AMNESTY were granted to the 20 million or so ILLEGAL ALIENS. We have more and more people out of work everyday and they want to add another 20 million to this Country? I say, “NO”!

If AMNESTY were ever granted to these 20 million ILLEGAL ALIENS, you can bet big money that 3 years from now, there would be ANOTHER 3-5 million ILLEGAL ALIENS demonstrating on our soil for AMNESTY.

WYOMING, GET YOUR LAW PASSED! Other States will be following you can be sure! "

Onessimo wrote on Jan 13, 2009 9:56 AM:

" But if they pass this bill, then how will the employers who hire illegals for less money be able to pay for their own lifestyles? I mean that they will have to be paying higher wages to American workers for the same jobs and that means they won't get as rich. What's going to happen to them? They have families too. Are you trying to put them out of business? "

Fiercely Independent wrote on Jan 13, 2009 10:49 AM:

" This is way overdue. "

Sid wrote on Jan 13, 2009 11:55 AM:

" Ok, The key word in "illegal imagrant"
Is ILLEGAL... PERIOD, Im not racist, But I am a patriot, I love my country and beleive everyone should have an opportunity. IF done the right, LEGAL Way. I truly believe that illegal immagrants are slowly breaking our beloved country. There is legal steps to get into the USA, and if taken, then I am all for letting new immagrants become citizens. But when Our Government turns its back on its true citizens, and looks the other way when companies are hiring an illegal for Low pay, and getting rid of the LEGAL american citizens that truly brought thier buissness to the successful state. Then the company ceo's should be held accountable. I believe it should be a high felony for employing illegal immagrants. But lately it seems that our government doesnt care about its own people. We have good hard working americans, who cannot get a single ounce of help from the government. But yet we have an abundance of illegal's collecting benefits, Wellfare,and getting free education at the expense of you and me.
I mean trully what does it say when our own President elect MR. BARRACK O'BAMA, Has an illegal relative living in the USA illegaly, In public funded housing. Now I know that this isnt a new story, But come on. What ever happened to taking care of your own first. Im sure that someone will argue that statement. But hey illegal is illegal. I wouldnt get a free pass if I broke the law. So there is the proof, that there is truly some who are above the law.
I only wish the powers that be would help its own citizens, But if you do get any help it is so clouded with stipulations, that you are basically owned by them from there on out.
In closing I would like to say, Im not trying to affend anyone. I just think that America should take care of its own true red blooded people first. then try and help the world.
Thank You,
Sid "

sid wrote on Jan 13, 2009 12:07 PM:

" Onessimo, I really hope you are being sarcastic. "

C. wrote on Jan 13, 2009 12:07 PM:

" YEAH!! Pass this bill!
This is so importnat on so many levels and states can take the initiative to protect its inhabitants.
Illegal immigrants - don't have auto insurance (most generallY) so if your in an accident and your daughter/son becomes crippled - guess what... sorry for you... that illegal hops back into their country of origin and your stuck with the bill.

I hope this bill passes! "

roughneck wrote on Jan 13, 2009 12:48 PM:

" like sen kerry said once,what part of "illegal" do people not understand?these freeloaders and moochers do not belong here,they along with most politicians are ruining this country that so many have given all to build,how can you even justify taking care of these people when they have never contributed anything to nothing,but the justice system,if they get caught.i say take care of our own.if mexico is so great and they are so proud,herd them back over the border.i say pass it its way overdue,here here. "

sid wrote on Jan 13, 2009 12:52 PM:

" Hey what was wrong with my first response that it wont get put on.
Again the poweres that be control everything, even so called freedom of speech.. "

coco wrote on Jan 13, 2009 1:10 PM:

" its about time for this.do we want wyoming to be like california or colorado,alot of people around herre have lost their jobs in construction because of the economy.we most certanly dont need illegals coming here taking jobs away from those of us around here who have paid our taxes all of our lives.and on top of that the money gets sent back to where they are from. "

Casper Resident wrote on Jan 13, 2009 2:27 PM:

" Ask the greedy employers who hire illegal immigrants what part of the word illegal they don't understand. The illegal immigrants come here for work to try to improve their family's lives I don't really blame them, as if I lived in a depressed country and had an opportunity to go to the U.S. and work so I could support my family, I would do it. The root of the problem is the people who hire these illegal immigrants and give them the opportunities and incentives to come here. If there were no opportunities for them here, they would not come here. "

Mike wrote on Jan 13, 2009 3:39 PM:

" There is a time for compassion, but not this way. It all comes down to greed and special interest groups concerning illegal immigration as we all know. Wyo, do not be like the border states and allow your law makers and corporate giants to decide your destiny by allowing illegal immigration. Do what is right by law and protect your rights as true US citizens... "

Anna wrote on Jan 13, 2009 4:00 PM:

" Good news! Press on and let's start the purge of these unneeded and unwanted foreign criminals and the punishment of those that would aide and abet them with jobs, housing and covering up their criminal actions. "

Bill wrote on Jan 13, 2009 4:02 PM:

" How can allowing more uneducated criminals from Mexico to come to and remain in the state improve our way of life and Wyoming in general? How can supporting lawless behavior be good any where? "

OU812 wrote on Jan 13, 2009 4:03 PM:

" Shouldn't Mexico get fixed and treat US citizens with human dignity and respect before we offer unlimited access and rights to Mexico's run-away citizens? "

What good does it do wrote on Jan 13, 2009 4:05 PM:

" What good does it do America to endlessly bring in more and more people?

All of our problems now are directly related to the fact that we have to many people all competing for limited resources over time.

We are using up fuel to fast. We are creating garbage to fast. We are having to build new tracks of housing in places that should be left open space. Road rage, drug crimes, etc. All due to an endlessly growing population, and a population that thinks less and less of our laws.

Our laws were established so that we could all exist safely together and have an opportunity to prosper if we worked for it.

How can letting more and more illegal aliens, largely uneducated and corrupt people that disregard our laws, into the US be good for America and for Americans?

Can you pro-illegal aliens please explain exactly how your political position will improve all of our lives and make America better and not worse over time? "

Start Thinking wrote on Jan 13, 2009 4:13 PM:

" With the drug peddlers from Mexico come their families, some of them seek work and they will work for less than you and I can afford to. Go to any construction sight, you will find few legal US citizens swinging hammers in and around most major US cities today. That was once a vocation that many Americans made a living at and raised families. This is no longer the case in may trades across the nation today. Notice that I did not bother to dwell on the fact that you seem to think having more drug peddlers and the other associated crimes that go with that in America is a good thing.

Also note that over 144,000 Mexican citizens legally immigrated to the US last year, following the laws of this country. Those Mexicans followed the rules and used the system in place correctly. Why can't the rest of the Mexicans show some patience and respect for the country that they so desperately want to run away to? Were the 144,000 law abiding Mexicans fools to immigrate the right way and to respect the laws of the nation that they wanted to move to?

Perhaps our focus is wrong altogether. Perhaps we need to give Mexico some mandates. Recently the President of Mexico levied some on the US. He demanded that Mexican emigrants and workers in the US be given full rights. Now if you or I were arrested in Mexico for having no drivers license, registration or insurance following a routine traffic stop would we just be let go as most Mexican are today? The police know that the illegal aliens will never be seen in court, will never pay any fines and will never follow the laws. But you and I would have the book thrown at us.

Not knowing who these people are, or why they are here is dangerous to national security. This is particularly true in these less than settled times. Nations and non-nation entities have sworn to destroy the US and kill US citizens. How much would it cost a terrorist to "buy-off" an illegal alien? What might that illegal alien do for money? None of us know and under the current open boarder process we couldn't find out before a crisis if we had to, and we might have to, your life and that of your family could depend on that. Are you willing to sacrific a child to let the illegal aliens get their way breaking our nations laws?

Did you know that in the LA school districts there are schools that have 60% drop out rate and that these same schools (baby sitter services really) have illegal alien's children at population rates of over 60% in classes? These children of illegal aliens are not paid for by their parents taxes to attend the schools, so they attend on the backs of the Californian tax payers. Schooling these kids is also a waste of time as in Mexico kids are only schooled to about the 6-8th grade level. So when you send them home with home work no one at home can help them with their studies nor generally will anyone try since the Mexican culture does not value education. All in all the Californians with 55% of their states budget sunk into education are wasting their money. Wyoming may lag the nations in following trends, but we too in Wyoming are headed for the example set by California. None of the foregoing even mentions that high levels of violent crimes in the California schools systems that are centered around illegal alien children and their connection to gangs and drugs.

My examples above are just the tip of the iceberg. Illegal immigration is a nation wide problem that is in fact impacting America and Americans more each passing day. Feeling sorry for the poor and ignorant of the world is not going to make this problem go away nor is making the US tax payer pay for the failure of the Mexican and other 3rd world governments.

You folks defending these criminals tells me that you have given up on law and order, or that you yourself are a criminal too. It also tells me that you live by situational ethics, which have never solved any problems in the history of humanity. Situational ethics create problems, and make them worse. You need to reevaluate your values and try applying some actual logic to your thinking.

So, using your fine situational, subjective ethics, how many more illegal aliens can we absorb before the US is a 3rd world nation too? Is that your goal, the ruin of American society, or do you just not care until the problem is squarely on your doorstep? I am sure that you will whine like h_ll when that day comes, and it will using your bizarre thinking. "

Gram wrote on Jan 13, 2009 4:18 PM:

" I believe that citizenship should carry benefits that noncitizens do not get. I agree that people who knowingly employ illegals should pay the price for health, housing etc of people lured here illegally. Looks like we are on the right track. "

BabyBlu wrote on Jan 13, 2009 5:18 PM:

" Really? I really don't think that Miss Burt realizes that we have people in Wyoming that are losing their jobs to these people who have no right to be here. Some are losing housing and other benifits because of people in the government like Burt, who think these kind of laws are "mean-spirited". "

Celia wrote on Jan 13, 2009 5:19 PM:

" It is about time. "

flintknapper wrote on Jan 13, 2009 6:21 PM:

" Why in the world is there even legislation planned about illegal immigrants. The key word here is ILLEGAL!!!!!!! We have to obey the law or the cops are down on us like a pack of dogs. But people can come here from another country and live better than we can. Free everything. If they cant pay, the government does. And, supposedly, who is the government??? We, the taxpayers, whom, as of lately, are being RAPED at a phenomenal rate... "

patriot wrote on Jan 13, 2009 8:24 PM:

" this is for onessimo, if these rich jerks are rich off of anothers misfortune, then they deserve to be out of business, i'm poor, and i have put into the system for over 30 yrs, and and i make around 17000 a year for a family of 5 and i'm to rich to gain any kinda state help, yet these peoiple that come to our country can get the full plan, and never have put nothing into it, what is wrong with that picture, if you can't see it, then maybe you ought to just move on to another 3rd world country where you belong yourself, and i manage to make it on 17000 a year, it's not hard to do when you have never been able to get any assistance because you make to much money, you need to get a life "

Inky wrote on Jan 14, 2009 4:47 AM:

" In a get-tough on illegal immigrants move, Arizona did exactly the same thing.
And although there are hundreds and even thosands of times more illegal immigrants in Arizona, the law failed in the first year, without a single prosecution of any businessman who hired illegals.
Not. One. Prosecution.
Not even with a bunch of hard-nosed prosecutors.
Also, there are a host of studies that say illegals do not impact our social services because illegals are afraid of attracting official attention. As for taking jobs from US citizens, how many of you want to work in a meat packing plant, pick tomatoes or make beds for a living? "

69Ford wrote on Jan 14, 2009 8:22 AM:

" Time to start up a " well regulated militia ". "

Carrier wrote on Jan 14, 2009 8:29 AM:

" Good! Cracking down on those who hire and aid those who are here illegally is a great start.

Unconstitutional? Really Linda? Please, lady, get real! If the Federal Government had done its job to begin with, the states wouldn't have to pick up the slack so much. States have every right to take care of their LEGAL residents first, period. Maybe you ought to be looking at states and cities where criminals, ie ILLEGAL immigrants are sheltered and given sactuary. THAT is unconstitutional, Linda. But why would the AMERICAN Civil Liberties Union want to help Americans and LEGAL residents? Oh yeah, that would be mean spirited. "

Lamp Lighter wrote on Jan 14, 2009 8:43 AM:

" It seems we're spending an inordinate amount of time being consumed by this issue.........I don't believe all our woes will go away if we strike all non-citizens from the Country..................At the same time we need to take a look at all the out sourcing we are doing.............That is where our jobs are going................................If the non-citizens leave they will likely just take their jobs with them............................................ "

Juan wrote on Jan 14, 2009 8:51 AM:

" Folks, This is not about hate. This is not about racism. This is not about discrimination. This is not about prejudice. This is about law and order. This is about the rule of law. This is about the consumption of tax payers dollars, who are citizens, who are following the law and who are paying their taxes so that public safety and public services are provided to them for them good faith efforts. What part of that do you not understand? What part of that doesn't make good commonsense to you? What part of that sounds like hate to you? The only place that hate exists is in the nations that these people are fleeing. If they want a better life, then they need to start at home, in their nations of origin and fix their own countries live we did in 1776 and again in 1861. Freedom and all of it's many blessings are not free. It is earned and keep every day with hard work and responsible CITIZENS. America, nor any other nation cannot endlessly absorb the worlds poor and uneducated. We do not have endless resources or space. Get a grip on that reality fast or your way of life will go down the tubs over the passing years until your kids and grand kids live in a third world country called America. My family came here legally. We followed the rules. We respect the laws. We learned the language. We learned the customs. We thank God for being allowed this grand privilege and we work hard daily at being good, law abiding citizens. So should all of you and you should support our national security and economy by supporting candidates that are tough on illegal aliens, illegal immigration and the criminal citizens that harbor these foreigners that have no respect for what we as a nation have built. "

ok wrote on Jan 14, 2009 10:26 AM:

" Make it a felony to hire illegal immigrants and actually enforce it and maybe you could actually have some impact. As far as Mexican drug runners and dealers; the only way to stop that is to legalize the drugs so they can be produced and sold legally by U.S. citizens; that would put the illegal drug trade out of business in America; otherwise, as long as the demand is there (and it always will be) people will fill the demand; the tax revenues would help our economic problems immensely. We cannot stop people from doing drugs through law enforcement anyway; we can save many millions of dollars a year by stopping this losing war on drugs and can instead create a huge new tax revenue stream that can be the catalist for much good. "

Carrier wrote on Jan 14, 2009 10:40 AM:

" I think Juan said it best of all! Great post! "

jerry wrote on Jan 14, 2009 10:49 AM:

" Keep the illegal immigrants out and watch
your grocery bill EXPLODE. Now, if you
believe that good ole Americans will
pick crops or work in slaughter houses, then, I have some ocean-front property in Arizona that you may be intererested in purchasing.
BTY, it was not Hispanics that attacked our nation on 9/11/01. "

TR wrote on Jan 14, 2009 11:31 AM:

" No Jerry , maybe it wasn't hispanics who attacked us on 9-11 , they didn't have to , they do it in other ways , welfare , free healthcare , over crowded schools , drug trafficking , gangs , ....need more ? "

FedUp wrote on Jan 14, 2009 11:32 AM:

" Jerry, Illegal immigrants take much more from our country than they give. I do not think our grocery bills are going to explode as you say. This problem should have been addressed 25 years ago. "

Maya wrote on Jan 14, 2009 11:41 AM:

" jerry, Your fear mongering is a fraud.

The current system allows for workers visas. My father worked in the Imperial Valley of California for 10 years under this program. Many of the bigger farms will only hire registered workers so that they do not violate the immigration or labor laws.

Few Mexicans bother to use this system as it is far easier to just jump across the boarder and not have to do the paper work or get a criminal background check.

Again, your attempt to incite fear is without justification.

Our grocery prices will be just fine having LEGAL workers picking the lettuce and so forth. "

Wayne wrote on Jan 14, 2009 11:43 AM:

" Long over due for all of the reasons that Juan so well articulates above. Well done Juan, you are an American patriot! "

Ben wrote on Jan 14, 2009 12:25 PM:

" "Why should the Palatine boors [the Germans] be suffered to swarm into our settlements, and by herding together establish their language and manners to the exclusion of ours? Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a colony of aliens, who will soon be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our anglifying them, and will never adopt our language or customs, any more than they can acquire our complexion."

-Ben Franklin "

Okie wrote on Jan 14, 2009 12:33 PM:

" "Delaware Bob" is full of beans. He tries to get attention hogging up space in Tulsa newspapers, too.

I live in Oklahoma and I'm telling you that our HB1804 has accomplished nothing except casting suspicion upon every Hispanic in the area. Over the last year, 1804 has been responsible for 3 whole arrests resulting in slaps on the wrist. Half of the racist legislation has been tied up in lawsuits for over a year and may never be fully enacted. What a waste of time and money! "

Horse Flop wrote on Jan 14, 2009 3:43 PM:

" Okie is full of horse flop. Look up the stats for yourselves. Illegal aliens are fleeing Oklahoma, it is not longer a magnet for them. The same has proven true in the few other states that have gotten tough on both the aliens and their would be employers. "

Julie wrote on Jan 14, 2009 3:51 PM:

" It's is about time that we returned to the basics on this law and order issue. I wish everyone that wants to come to America legally the best of luck as they file their papers, get their background checks and wait their proper turn. "

Lamp Lighter wrote on Jan 14, 2009 10:14 PM:

" Julie.........................I would like to think that people coming legal could be accepted as you say.................But there has been such a festering of hate, I don't think people care if they are legal or not..............Most people think that if a person has brown skin they are Mexican..............And not to be tolerated.....................Alot are so illiterate they don't even know there is more than one country down south..............I believe everyone should be legal also...............But beware of where you spend all your energy...............You may find it wasn't your problem after all................ "

Viola wrote on Jan 15, 2009 12:50 AM:

" Our American laws do not have make look like they targeting one race of people when asking for their statuses, To stop illegal immigrants Hispanics, and American Hispanics from crying about racial profiling. Our laws need to just start asking all racist for their statuses if they need to, this way illegal immigrant won't have anything to cry about!!!!

Our politicians must stop illegal immigrants and all their advocates from using ex stream loopholes, excuses, strategies, to defined illegal immigrants wrongdoings, they are being allow to break all laws in America, that no American are allow to do. and they think of it as being nothing, Our American Constitution should not be changed for their purposes, Some like our Politicians, new president, to tell them that they are wrong, they need to not all so much compassion for them get in the way of our American laws, they need to enforce our immigration laws America already have!!

Our politicians need to hurry up, and stop illegal immigrant from using our American birth right law they are taking fully advantage of it,
they continuously to use this to make their children instant American Citizens, multiply themselves, helping their Hispanic race to become the over populated race in America,
leaving American citizen forced to endure America turning into a new Mexico!

American are left so voiceless to this matter, we are to just ignore all of what they do in America, millions of illegal immigrants are employed in America while millions of American citizen are unemployed. yes illegal immigrant are Human, American citizen are Human also, and they also have statuses to America, so why all of sudden illegal immigrant are better then American citizens?? "

Okie wrote on Jan 15, 2009 7:24 AM:

" Hey horse flop, get your parents read this story to you:

It's titled "1804 law nets 3 arrests"
After one year, arrests for transporting illegal immigrants are low...

www dot tulsaworld dot com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20081026_11_A1_spa745544

Read it and weep. "

FREEDOM FROM THE GOP NOW wrote on Jan 15, 2009 8:34 AM:

" Horse flop is full of horse flop. "

Okie wrote on Jan 15, 2009 8:52 AM:

" Web search "1804 law nets 3 arrests" for all the facts. "

charliemontoya wrote on Jan 15, 2009 10:07 AM:

" WHEN GOVERMENTS MEAN WELL IN CONTROLING IMMIGRATION TRAFFIC THERE IS NO SPICIFIC,S OR CONSIDERATION NOTED WHERE TO DRAW THE LINE. THAT THERE ARE HISPANICS THAT ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS THAT GET CAUGHT UP IN THE CROSS FIRE OF RACISIM,AND BIGGITTTRY, WHO HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ILLIGIALS SUCH AS IN PLACES LIKE WYOMING, EXSPECIALLY WHEN FOLKS DON,T CARE AND ARE RACIST ANY WAY ,TO THEM I,TS AN ALL OUT UNJUST PICNIC TO BE RACIST. I LOST MY JOB, I LIVED IN THIS COUNTRY ALL MY LIFE ,I SERVED MY COUNTRY PROUDLY .U.S.M.C, I AM HISPANIC, I HAVE A COLLEGUE DEGREE AND RESUME AND HEAR THE THREATS,AND I AM BIENG TREATED UNJUST UNFAIRLY, I GOT NO SUPPORT OR LITTLE SUPPORT FROM THE V.A IN WYOMING.JUST HEAR THE SLOGAN WE TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN WHITE PEOPLE IN WYOMING ALL BECAUSE OF BECAUSE OF "PETE ILLOWAY,S BILL HAS SPURED UP RACISM SEDIMENT IN WYOMING SO ALL HISPANICS LIKE MYSELF BECOME PRONE TO RACIAL THREATS. I LIVED THIS AND STILL LIVING IT> i hear go back to colorado mexican,LIVING TRUTH; "

crazy people are fun wrote on Jan 15, 2009 3:36 PM:

" I must say that I hope that this legislation passes. I grew up with many immigrants, legal ones that is; I also know many today. ALL OF THEM, that's right, ALL OF THEM are insulted, and mad at the illegal immigrants belief that they have a right to become a citizen.

Why?
Their family had to save money, and work hard to become citizens.
They had to wait for hours, sometimes days in line, to become citizens.
They had to study American history, and the English language to become citizens.

The illegal immigrants want to skip all of these things, and jump right into being a citizen.
There was no money saved up, or hard work involved to jump a fence.
They may have had to wait for hours, but that was to make sure they could cross the border without being seen. Not to be interviewed, and checked for health problems, or investigated for illegal activity, that's for sure.
Many do not speak English, and don't
want to learn. They also know little of American history or government.

So, while I consider myself to be very liberal, I am very conservative when it comes to this topic.

To those that think that no American would want the jobs that illegals take, how can you be so sure?

There are a lot of unemployed people that would love to be able to bring home a paycheck and have some pride in themselves again, even if the money isn't much.

If they've been laid off, and the unemployment runs out, what can they do?

Many Americans had these jobs before illegal immigrants enabled rich business men to become richer by paying them less.

If you're uneducated, and have no aptitude for computers, but are strong, and work well with your hands, what is there available to you?

You can't get the low paying jobs because someone that isn't in this country legally has taken them before you can get there. You won't be hired because there is a minimum wage enforced in this country, at least for those that are legal citizens.

So, spare us all the "American's won't do those jobs" speeches. It's not true, and if it is, then maybe we should be given the chance to learn first hand. Send the illegals home, packing, unemployed, or what have you, and we'll find out soon enough if that's a fairy tale, or not. It's the "you'll never know until you try" kind of thing. "

Carrier wrote on Jan 15, 2009 4:42 PM:

" I too am tired of the "jobs no one else will do" BS. There are a lot of people sitting on welfare who are more than able to work and won't. Get 'em off the public doel and get 'em to work. Two problems solved right there! "

Bye bye wrote on Jan 15, 2009 5:22 PM:

" Bye, bye foreign criminals and those citizens that are aiding them with employment, housing and so forth. Bye, bye. "

The wrote on Jan 15, 2009 9:01 PM:

" European was never invited to this hemisphere in the first place. If all of them had minded their own buisness and stayed there we would not be having this discussion. What you gain by theft and murder always comes back to haunt you and the generations that follow. I feel no sorrow for any of you as you get what is comming and I hope with added interest. "

Edie wrote on Jan 16, 2009 5:10 AM:

" What these pro-illegal immigrant groups fail to and will not tell you is the negative effect illegal immigrants presence in this country and their effect on wages. I think every country has a right to protect it's citizens from the negative effects of someone who is illegally in this country, i.e, depressed wages, overcrowded schools and quality of life. "

Edie wrote on Jan 16, 2009 5:14 AM:

" jerry wrote on Jan 14, 2009 10:49 AM:

" Keep the illegal immigrants out and watch
your grocery bill EXPLODE. Now, if you
believe that good ole Americans will
pick crops or work in slaughter houses, then, I have some ocean-front property in Arizona that you may be intererested in purchasing.
BTY, it was not Hispanics that attacked our nation on 9/11/01.


I see you approve of people working for slave wages. Why do you think illegal immigrants are so popular with businesses and the chamber o commerce. They don't call it "cheap" labor for nothing. But you don't care about how much it will cost taxpayers to provide medical, educational, etc. for millions of illiterate and poor illegal immigrants, do you mastuh? "

Christinaj wrote on Jan 16, 2009 6:50 AM:

" I lived in Nevada for the past 6 years, and there are a lot of illegal immigrants there and not just ones of Mexican origin. They had done a raid on a few of the McDonald's there and found that over half of the workers were illegals. They had done raids on a few of the casinos before and at one of them, found a high amount of illegal Russians. However, the Latino community there put on this big "civil rights" march and a ton of them called in sick to work to do it. The Latinos said that if they all didn't show up for work one day that the business would have to close for the day. Guess what, not one business had to close. I am sure they all had a hectic day, but if all of a sudden there were no illegals here(like in that one movie) I am sure that yes at first everything would be hectic but things would adjust and everything would be just fine.
I am so tired of everyone saying that these people are doing jobs that no one else wants to do. My husband worked for a concrete business there where they did all things concrete. It use to be that concrete finishing was considered a skill and those that did it got paid well. The same is true for carpenter and roofers and many other forms of construction, but that is not the case anymore. The people that get hired are those that will work for less.
I worked in a hospital there and I can't tell you how many of these illegal workers would get injured on the job and would be working undocumented. There are roads in Reno where you could drive down and pick up someone to help you for the day and not much pay. Some employers would do this. Then one of them gets hurt, there in no workers comp. When they are injured badly and need tons of medical care, there is no one to pay for it and medical care isn't cheap. And who absorbs the cost of this, the people that pay to have medical insurance and taxpayers.
And what about when the illegals get into criminal trouble? Let's say some illegal is drunk and driving an uninsured car and hits someone and kills them and then they get arrested. Their family puts up the bail money for them, they get out, go back to their country and then come back under a different identity. Where is the justice for the family that lost their loved one? Of course I guess in a way we save money here because we don't have to pay for them to be locked up in prison but it still isn't fair for the family suffering.
I don't care if they come from Mexico, Germany, Russia, or any other country in the world, but they need to do it legally. My family came from Germany and England in the early 1900's and they did it all legally. Why should we start giving free passes to anyone that's them? Doesn't that cheapen the American way? We are all trying to achieve the American Dream here, but in the past that always meant lots of hard work and we just let everyone take easy street to get there, then the American Dream isn't worth much.
I am all for diversity and love meeting people from other cultures and learning about other cultures, but I want everyone to get here legally. It protects all parties involved. Yeah, sure, it might take a little extra hard work and extra time, but that's how it should be. American citizenship has always been a special achievement for those that desire it, shouldn't it stay that way? "

Wyoming Redneck wrote on Jan 16, 2009 8:56 AM:

" We only want white, straight, natural born U.S. citizens in this state. We are proud to be hateful biggots and we don't care if the rest of the country knows it. All we care about is ourselves and our fellow normal white Wyomingite redneck hicks - to heck with everyone else. Just because there are no jobs in your country and you cannot feed your family doesn't mean that you can come to the U.S. and try to better yourselves like our ancestors did - you are not white and aren't like us so we don't care if your family starves. If you are a U.S. citizen of hispanic roots or some other race, we hate you just as bad just because you are not normal white Wyoming hicks like us, so you should go to some other country or die or something because we don't want you here.

This is the message that I get from reading the comments on this subject. I hope you are all proud of yourselves for looking like cold, uncaring, hateful, biggoted hicks. You make me ashamed of our state; some of us are not that way and don't appreciate you making us look like redneck hicks. "

Susanna wrote on Jan 16, 2009 11:43 AM:

" Headlines like the below are repeated scores of times daily in Texas, California, Arizona and New Mexico. Do we really want this in Wyoming too as a frequent event?

Friday, January 16, 2009 9:14 AM MST

SALT LAKE CITY -- A man who was shot on Interstate 15 during rush hour last week has died.

The Utah Highway Patrol says 18-year-old Cesar Ramirez died Thursday from his wounds.

The highway patrol says the evening shooting on Jan. 9 on I-15 was gang related. The shooting caused the closure of the freeway while police investigated.

Officials initially thought the shooting may have been a road rage case related to texting while driving.

Police are still looking for a suspect in the shooting. "

Susanna wrote on Jan 16, 2009 11:46 AM:

" The practice noted in the article below is common in Mexico. Do you want it to become common in America too? If you do, then support illegal alien rights.

GREENFIELD, Calif. - A father is accused of trying to sell his 14-year-old daughter for marriage in hopes of getting money and 150 cases of beer in return, Greenfield police said.

Macelino de Jesus Martinez, 36, was arrested Monday on suspicion of trying to arrange to have his daughter marry Margarito de Jesus Galindo, 18, for $16,000, 100 cases of Corona, 50 cases of Modelo beer, several cases of meat, two cases of wine, 50 cases of Gatorade and 50 cases of soft drinks, authorities said.

The girl moved in with Galindo and when payments were not received, her father called police to get his daughter back. "

highmarkin wrote on Jan 16, 2009 12:19 PM:

" Right on Carrier! Take away welfare and force the lazy SOB's to work. "

Hector T wrote on Jan 16, 2009 1:43 PM:

" charliemontoya, First, calm down and act like an adult citizen. Next, do not break the law, run from authorities if they seek your attention or audience and do not aide or abet any illegal aliens that are in this country even if they are your relatives. Learn to command the language well, and behaving like an American citizen goes a long way too. Now you know how the Irish felt, the Chinese, the Japanese, the Vietnamese... they all aculturated and they all obeyed and respected the laws. The same cannot be said of much of our homies, the hispanic folks that are here now legally or otherwise. We cannot let this great land be over run because our feelings might get hurt in the process. "

Randi wrote on Jan 16, 2009 2:50 PM:

" It's about time that we took action and addressed the security of the national boarders and the soveriegnty of the nation. We are either a state that supports the laws of the nation or we are an illegal alien safe haven like California and thus we're all turn-coats like them. "

Carrier wrote on Jan 16, 2009 9:41 PM:

" Way to go there "Wyoming Redneck". You have proved that pro-illegal immigrant types like yourself have no arguement against illegal immigrants and those who aid them, house them, and hire them for slave wages. The only thing you can come up with is name calling. We're all biggots and racists? Tell me "Wyoming Redneck", can you tell any of us how we're racist? How is telling those who come here to do it legally racist? How is making it harder for greedy business owners to not hire and exploit illegals racist? No one has called for elimination of immigration, have they? I challenge ANYONE to tell how wanting people to follow the law in regards to immigration as racist. I doubt you can.

And "The". You're comparing apples and oranges, there buddy. "

the wrote on Jan 17, 2009 3:47 PM:

" am not. just comparing bigots of europe with their decendents. "

Wow wrote on Jan 17, 2009 3:50 PM:

" The ACLU is fighting this because it should be the federal government's job, not the job of independent states and cities. Did you all fail reading or is that the Wyoming public education system at work? "

Carrier wrote on Jan 17, 2009 5:46 PM:

" No Wow, since the Federal Government has FAILED to do its job, it is up to the individual states to do what should have been done. The ACLU needs to be fighting cities that have an official policy of harboring and giving sactuary to illegals. Then they would actually be living up to their name.

Speaking in generalizations "the" is the same as saying all (insert race/creed/sex here) are (insert specific stereotype here). Again, it's apples and oranges. "

Ejucated wrote on Jan 17, 2009 6:13 PM:

" The horrific spelling, faulty logic, and blatant racism of many of these posts clearly indicates the ignorant audience this topic appeals. The real question we should be asking is, "how much of an impact does illegal immigration have on the state of Wyoming." Clearly, the answer is "negligible." Yet because it is a hot-button topic that arouses such political passion, inept politicians such as Sen. Illoway seize upon it and try to ride it for all it's worth due to the fact that they are incapable of any original thought directed toward addressing issues that DO impact the state.

For example, how many of you half-wits responding to this thread are uninsured and/or can't afford to seek medical attention when needed? How many of you are facing foreclosures on your homes because you can no longer afford your variable rate mortgages? How many of you are facing unemployment as industries tied to the price of oil begin downsizing? Odds are that the majority of you should be raising your hands.

And what are our heroic buffoons in Cheyenne doing to address these pressing issues? Nothing! They're too busy debating how to stop the influx of illegal immigrants into the state (who, in all likelihood, make up less than 0.5% of the states population). Y'all need to put the energy behind your prejudices to more productive use and begin pressuring your elected representatives to address the issues that matter... "

Man from Casper wrote on Jan 17, 2009 6:42 PM:

" Ejucated: Very good post.

What I find interesting is the hypocrisy of those opposed to illegal immigrants. If every illegal immigrant in the U.S. vanished, our economy would crumble.

How many of you eat lettuce, tomatoes, and other vegetables? How many of you eat meat? How many of you, when traveling, eat at restaurants and sleep in hotels? My point is this: We ALL benefit from the cheap labor of illegal immigrants.

But heaven forbid illegal immigrants need health care.

We can't have it both ways. "

Christinaj wrote on Jan 17, 2009 8:34 PM:

" Why should they be allowed to break the law and get rewarded for it? We wouldn't let a murderer go free, give them health insurance, food stamps, and pay their rent because they are cheap to pay.

I believe in my post earlier that it benefits everyone if they go through the legal means of getting here. I really feel that it helps any immigrant from any country in the sense that they won't end up working for less money and be without health insurance.

I know that there are less then desirable jobs out there, but why do we have reserve those jobs for illegal immigrants? Is that all they are worth? And I am being called a bigot because I think that people that break the law should be treated as criminals?

What I am seeing is those that are all for doing nothing about illegal immigrants want it that way because they are cheap labor and that people want to continue to exploit illegal immigrants and use them in this modern-day form of slavery.

And also, while all you screaming for the rights of these individuals and whatnot, you have to remember that if we do this for Mexican immigrants, the rules should be allowed for ALL other countries. Just throw the gates open and let everyone in no matter what, no questions asked. Sounds great!!!! Hey, then no one will have to worry about outsourcing anymore because cheap labor will be in abundance. Of course, all the US citizens would be unemployed, but hey all those that wanted to break the law to get here would have everything they wanted. "

emcee wrote on Jan 17, 2009 10:27 PM:

" I sick of hearing that laws to strengthen penalties against being, or hiring, an illegal immigrant discriminates against Hispanics. Many Hispanics enter the US legally. This law, and others like it, are against anyone entering the country illegally. The feds obviously can't do it all. Give the states more teeth! "

well wrote on Jan 18, 2009 3:37 AM:

" Ejucated perhaps you would care to correct the errors in your post prior to calling others on it. I know I make errors but as long as the point is understandable the error is not important.

The use of half wit, buffoon, etc either makes you the same type of bigot or just a person doing self analysis. This is unfortunate as it really adds nothing of substance to the debate.

There is no problem with legal immigration but if one cannot legally enter then how can we expect them to follow other laws that bring order to society. I would be interested in your suspected stats on population figures along with how you determine what is important.

I suspect you are secure in your job or retirement (for the time being) and do not have to care about feeding a family or a providing for a residential dwelling when jobs are scarce even more so with persons not legally here doing them even if it is just one illegal working along with declining economy.

In regards to meat packing and (the failed to mention) construction jobs I am aware of many citizens or legal immigrants who would jump at the jobs. To state a legal resident or a citizen would not do the work is absurd and indicative of lack of knowledge via making a generalized assumption.

Further Man from Casper. if you think produce is any cheaper being picked by illegals makes a difference in price you are living in delusion. The owner is just making a bigger profit at the expense of cheap labor.

Christina your first point makes no difference and is invalid . Those convicted and sent to prison get food, health care, and a place to stay at the taxpayer expense IE free to them. those of us not incarcerated are saddled with paying for it our selves or going without.

I will agree with you on the let one let them all though issue. But that would promote anarchy as failure to respect rule of law and national sovereignty a point the pro illegal supporters care little about if they have taken time to think about it at all.

Just remember those who call you a bigot when you make your observations lack the social skills to debate an issue so rely on name calling to avoid the real issue or think everyone is like them. It is also indicative of a failed education system and a failure to teach civility and cognitive reasoning skills. If one only has to call a name then I guess those things are irrelevant as the debate is deflected to feelings rather than fact. "

pass House Bill 103 wrote on Jan 18, 2009 8:28 AM:

" With our nations unemployment at the highest most people have ever seen I can't help but to wonder how low it would be if the illegals weren't here. I am willing to bet the unemployment is the same as the illegal population. I would rather gather tomatoes than collect food stamps. Our economy is falling apart because of the illegals. What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand? "

go figure wrote on Jan 18, 2009 8:44 AM:

" I was impartial to alot of this immigrant stuff until I read an article about an illegal immigrant who was living in Texas. He had been arrested for minor? crimes like drugs and asaault. He was deported and within a year he was back in the US facing murder charges. He plead guilty in our court system and was sentenced to 15 years. He used our tax dollars to fight it on the basis that if he was forced to serve his time then the government and court were breaking the law by harboring an illegal alien. The US deported him again and he came back and killed again, was deported...and... "

Fiercely Independent wrote on Jan 18, 2009 4:06 PM:

" pass House Bill 103 - very good post!

What I find interesting is the hypocrisy of those that support illegal immigrants. If every illegal immigrant in the U.S. vanished, our economy would get a much needed boost to fight off high unemployment rates of legal citizens.

And heaven forbid that legal citizens, who are having difficulty during these troubled times, are concerned about skyrocketing health care costs for illegal immigrants that have not duly contributed to the system. "

WyoNative wrote on Jan 18, 2009 4:59 PM:

" I hope this bill passes, at least it's a start on enforcing our immigration laws. Gov Dave says it's up to the Feds, but under the Bush aministration they were not been allowed to enforce our laws to any great extent. Example, the illegal in Denver who drove through an ice cream shop killing people. Ths guy had been arrested 16 times and never deported. So much for Homeland Security .Why just harbor and transport ? Let's add work ! No work, no jobs, no money. stay in their home country. "

Wow wrote on Jan 18, 2009 5:09 PM:

" Carrier, we should just be ok with the government failing to do its job? We should be glad someone is trying to put their rears over the fire. Why do we pay taxes if they don't hold up their end of the deal.

And Susanna, are you really that racist? "

Man from Laramie wrote on Jan 18, 2009 8:27 PM:

" Has any of the commenters above actually read the bill? This hateful legislation would force hotels, motels, bus companies, and even taxicabs to harrass anyone who looked Hispanic by asking him or her to prove citizenship. (They could be prosecuted for a crime if they didn't.) Also, the Wyoming Tribune-Eagle reported today that the bill wasn't even written in Wyoming. An out-of-state lobbying group wrote it, and the legislator who introduced is getting gifts from that group. "

Facts R Cool wrote on Jan 19, 2009 8:13 AM:

" Christinaj wrote "We wouldn't let a murderer go free..."

Illegal Presence in the U.S. has always been a civil, not criminal, violation of the Immigration and Nationality Act. Deportation and the associated administrative processes are civil proceedings.

It's ridiculous to compare murder with immigration because illegal presence is about as serious as spitting on the sidewalk. "

Carrier wrote on Jan 19, 2009 8:43 AM:

" No Wow, we should in no way, shape or form be ok with government failing to do its job. That's not anywhere near what I wrote, and you know it. You're right, we should be DEMANDING they do something. Oh wait, that HAS been happening over the past 25 years in various ways. But the Feds have failed to hear the citizens and legal residents of the US. Reagan, Bush I, Clinton and W; all failed in this area of their policies. Also, greedy employers continue to flip off the law and decency. That is why, Wow, some states, fed up with the feds, are doing something about this national problem. "

Christinaj wrote on Jan 19, 2009 9:32 AM:

" I don't know, but to me illegal is illegal, no matter if it is as serious as spitting on the sidewalk or not. If someone breaks the law, then they should have to pay the same consequences as everyone else that has broken the law.
If I was driving 8 miles over the speed limit and got pulled over, I would be expected to pay a fine. This is not a very serious illegal action, but it is still an illegal action and I should have to pay the fine. Just like if I murdered someone, I should have to go to prison for a very long time.
Illegal is illegal no matter how big or how small. "

Sherri wrote on Jan 19, 2009 12:17 PM:

" The Wyoming legislature should pass this legislation and the governor should sign it into law. The enforcement should be consistent and absolute, especially against employers who hire illegal immigrants. Wyoming citizens should boycott any business that is found to be using or hiring illegal immigrants. When it is determined that a business is hiring illegal immigrants this should be made public immediately and a comprehensive, long term boycott should go into effect.

Any potential landlord, employer or government service agency has the legal right to ask for proof of identification of anyone seeking to transact any type of business with them. When there is any question about the legal immigration status of any person, then it is the legal responsibility and obligation of the person to prove the legality of their immigration status. In any case where there is any reason to believe that a document of identification or immigration status is false or belongs to someone other than the person presenting the document, then the landlord, employer or governmental service person is justified in refusing to transact any business with the person presenting the document.

No person in the motor vehicles division anywhere in Wyoming should grant vehicle registration to anyone who does not present legal proof of identification and if asked proof of immigration status.

DO NOT REGISTER ANY VEHICLE BELONGING TO AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.

DO NOT ISSUE A DRIVER'S LICENSE OR ANY OTHER FORM OF IDENTIFICATION TO AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.

DO NOT PROVIDE GOVERNMENTAL SERVICES OR BENEFITS TO AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.

DO NOT HIRE ANY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.

DO NOT OPEN A BANK ACCOUNT OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF FINANCIAL ACCOUNT FOR AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.

DO A COMPLETE SOCIAL SECURITY BACKGROUND CHECK ON ANYONE YOU SUSPECT IS USING A FALSE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER OR CARD, OR WHO YOU SUSPECT IS USING ANOTHER PERSON'S SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER OR CARD BEFORE YOU HIRE THEM.

ALERT EVERYONE (MEDIA, NEIGHBORS, LAW ENFORCEMENT) IF YOU KNOW OF AN EMPLOYER OR GOVERNMENTAL AGENT WHO IS HIRING OR PROVIDING ANY GOVERNMENT BENEFITS TO AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.

Do your part to save our state. We have every right to. "

Realist wrote on Jan 19, 2009 3:33 PM:

" I think it's unfair to blame all our country's problems on illegal immigrants. I agree that people who want to immigrate to the U.S. should be forced to go through the correct process legally. Obviously, there is no possible way to seal off the thousands of miles of border so that noone could possibly get in. There are two major reasons that people illegally immigrate to our country, mostly from Mexico.

1) Work - The only way to solve this is to crack down on the employers who wish to circumvent our labor laws by hiring illegal immigrants to save on labor costs. If they have to immigrate legally in order to get a job, they will do it legally.

2) Drugs - The only way to stop the drug cartels is to abandon the losing war on drugs, make them legal, regulate them, allow them to be produced in the U.S. by U.S. companies so as to eliminate the demand that is feeding their drug trade. Not to mention the hundreds of millions of dollars a year in revenues that could be generated through taxes.

If all we do is scream about the immigrants and blame them for all the problems in our country, we will never solve the problem of illegal immigration. The actual root cause of most of our problems in this country is our own GREED! "

69Ford wrote on Jan 20, 2009 8:24 AM:

" Hey there , wyoming redneck , tell us more about your stance on illegal aliens after they have gutted the economy even worse than it is. Obviously you haven't been to places where illegals congregate to see the mess they make and the costs associated with them. If sdomething is not done real soon about this illegal problem , you will be hablaing espanol. "

Brave New World wrote on Jan 20, 2009 11:13 AM:

" Now, post innaguration, since we are now an anything goes socialist country, if you are a person of color, those immigrations laws just don't count any more unless you are a caucasian or from a predominantly anglo country. "

Two sided coin wrote on Jan 20, 2009 3:42 PM:

" Realist, Yes the US Mexico boarder can be sealed off and it should be following the law that congress passed and funded to do so. Would you also support the illegal mass immigration of people from nations not so near to the US equally? If so, how many new immigrants is too many? If not, then wouldn't that make you discriminatory? Either way, you loose and so does America. "

Brave New Ford 69er World wrote on Jan 21, 2009 1:29 AM:

" 69er, I doubt you have been there either, or they would have beat the holy crap out of your stupid white a$$. Please do elaborate on the "costs associated with them." And then be so kind as to compare how those costs compare to your weekly welfare check. And Brave, what does socialism have to do with anything even remotely related to immigration? And, in any event, I seriously doubt you have even a basic understanding of what exactly socialism is. When you hear big, fancy words like "inauguration" (note correct spelling) and "socialism," rather than try to use them in one of your rants, my advice is to follow the old adage...better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. "

Realist wrote on Jan 21, 2009 8:48 AM:

" Two sided,
You need to learn how to read. I did not say that I support illegal mass immigration, but rather that I believe people who want to immigrate to our country should go through the proper, legal process; and no, the border cannot be sealed off; you can put up walls and fences and people will go over, through, or under them. The best way to stop people from illegally immigrating to our country is to remove the incentives that motivate them to come here in the first place. Fences are like locks; they only keep the honest people out. Stop Americans from hiring illegal immigrants and stop sending hundreds of millions of dollars across the border to drug cartels and illegal immigration will slow to a trickle on it's own. No Demand = No Supply "

Saurez wrote on Jan 21, 2009 10:20 AM:

" Over 140,000 Mexican citizens LEGALLY emigrated to the US last year.

They followed the rules. Were they fools for doing this the right way?

Tens of thousands of Mexican citizens work LEGALLY in the US every day under the provisions of workers passes.

They too follow the rules. Are they also fools for doing this the right way?

If the illegal aliens do not respect out immigration laws, what other laws with the selectively pick and choose to respect and obey (or not)?

We are either a society the believes in and lives by law and order or we are not. If we are not then we are not civilized at all.

Just because this is a hard issue to solve doesn't make it impossible to solve.

Just because this issue involves mostly a non-white minority group doesn't make it a racial issue.

Illegal immigration is a crime. Those that immigrate illegally are criminals. Those that help illegal immigrants are criminals.

If I, an American of Mexican extraction can see this and deal with it, so can the rest of you. "

Amy wrote on Jan 21, 2009 2:57 PM:

" CHEYENNE -- Some Wyoming legislators are pushing a bill that would make it a felony to harbor or transport illegal immigrants in the state. The bill also would deny some public benefits to illegal immigrants.

And I say; God bless them for working to preserve this nation as our brilliant founders designed it; a civilized and lawful place to live, work and raise a familiy. "

y tal wrote on Jan 22, 2009 7:59 AM:

" Saurez wrote:
Illegal immigration is a crime. Those that immigrate illegally are criminals. Those that help illegal immigrants are criminals.
--
You are incorrect. Illegal immigration is a civil violation of immigration statutes, punishable only by fines or deportation. Those who immigrate illegally are NOT criminals. Why would you push to make it a CRIMINAL felony to aid or abet CIVIL noncompliance? "

Rosalio wrote on Jan 22, 2009 12:33 PM:

" y tal, criminal: noun [C]; someone who commits a crime.

Are you confusing the word CRIMINAL with the word FELON?

Your grasp of English needs improvement hombre.

Or your play with euphemistic (look it up) terms to make illegal's seems less of a threat or problem is truly disingenuous (look it up).

So, you are either ignorant or dishonest. Either way, you're not worth listening to. "

y tal wrote on Jan 22, 2009 2:07 PM:

" Rosalio, You would look less foolish if you did a little research. It might clear up your misunderstanding of the differences between civil and criminal codes and procedures.

Civil noncompliance is not a "crime", even if you can't understand it. "

y tal wrote on Jan 22, 2009 3:42 PM:

" BTW Rosie, my English needs nothing.

Obviously your reading comprehension skills are deficient. "

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