CHEYENNE -- Some Wyoming legislators are pushing a bill that would make it a felony to harbor or transport illegal immigrants in the state. The bill also would deny some public benefits to illegal immigrants.
Supporters of the bill say their intention is to make Wyoming employers careful not to hire illegal immigrants, and they emphasize the bill is not intended to target Hispanics. The Legislature rejected a similar bill last year.
Opponents of such legislation argue that controlling immigration is the responsibility of the federal government. They say that similar legislation around the country unfairly targets Hispanic citizens because of the large number of illegal immigrants from Mexico and other Spanish-speaking countries.
Rep. Pete Illoway, R-Cheyenne, is the main supporter of the Wyoming bill, House Bill 103.
"I want people to be aware that they've got to be careful in whom they hire, and they can't just go hire illegals," Illoway said. "I've got people, and you know them well, who will say, 'You're targeting Hispanics.' I am not targeting anybody; I am targeting illegal immigration."
Illoway said illegal immigrants shouldn't receive state unemployment benefits, workers compensation payments or other benefits.
"We should be trying to hire our own first," Illoway said. "The immigrants should go through the legal channels."
Linda Burt, executive director of the ACLU in Wyoming, said she sees problems with the Wyoming bill and others around the country.
"These kinds of bills are unnecessary because these kinds of laws are federal issues; they're not state issues," Burt said. "States cannot solve the immigration problems on a state-by-state basis. Reform must come on a national level. These kinds of bills, unfortunately, are very divisive bills."
The ACLU and other groups have challenged similar laws in other states on constitutional grounds. The ACLU has argued in court that a city ordinance in Pennsylvania that sought to punish landlords and employers who rent to or employ illegal immigrants was unconstitutional.
"From a moral aspect, the thing that seems so basically wrong to me is that these laws are so mean-spirited, and that really concerns me," Burt said. She also noted that many Wyoming businesses that employ immigrants could be hurt by such a bill.
A tough law against illegal immigrants went into effect in Oklahoma early last year. As the Wyoming proposal would do, the Oklahoma law makes it a crime to harbor or transport an illegal immigrant and specifies that they can't receive certain government services.
Some business groups, including the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the Tulsa Metro and Oklahoma State chambers of commerce, have challenged the Oklahoma law in federal court. A federal judge there has agreed to bar state officials from enforcing some provisions of the law and a federal appeals court in Denver now is considering the matter.
Guillermo Rojas is editor of the Tulsa weekly newspaper La Semana del Sur and a member of the Governor's Advisory Council on Hispanic and Latino Affairs in Oklahoma. He said he believes the law in that state was motivated by anti-Hispanic sentiment.
"They can put it a different way, but 90 percent or 95 percent of the immigrants that come into Oklahoma are Hispanic," Rojas said.
The Oklahoma law has had wide-ranging effects on that state's Hispanic community, Rojas said. He said many immigrant families have members who are documented as well as undocumented. The law makes it a crime for family members to transport or house each other, he said.
Rojas said the law also puts churches that cater to immigrants in a difficult position. He said clergy who serve immigrants refuse to accept any government prohibition on helping their congregations, even if that means transporting an illegal immigrant to church or otherwise helping them.
Meanwhile, Rojas said business groups are opposing the law because it's hurting businesses in Oklahoma.
"I live in Tulsa, and it's impacting the economy of the city of Tulsa because most of the people who paid the traffic infractions, and all the other types of things, they were Hispanics," Rojas said. "Almost 20 percent of them left the state. There's no money from fines. There's no money from the Hispanics buying groceries, or buying at Wal-Mart, or buying lunch or dinner in a restaurant."
Rep. Owen Petersen, R-Lyman, is one of the co-sponsors of the bill with Illoway. He also said the bill isn't trying to target any particular group.
"I am certainly not against immigration, as long as it follows legal process," Petersen said. "That's what it amounts to. It's not against any nationality, or anything along those lines."
Petersen noted that some businesses in Wyoming are laying off workers in the recent economic downturn.
"The people that are working here ought to have the opportunities to obtain employment on a legal basis, because they're here legal," Petersen said. "They pay taxes, and do other things, and that's really what motivates me to be a sponsor on the bill."
Petersen said that discouraging illegal immigration into Wyoming may also help immigrants themselves.
"What you're getting is human trafficking type situations," Petersen said. "And I feel sorry for the people that are in an illegal immigration status, because they are not afforded rights and protections under the law that I have, and other people who are legal residents of the State of Wyoming."
"A lot of them are victimized, just between you and I, they're paid substandard wages, the housing conditions are frequently horrible, and they know that if they say anything, they're subject to deportation," Petersen said.
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Fed up wrote on Jan 12, 2009 7:58 PM:
Estoban wrote on Jan 13, 2009 7:51 AM:
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Mean-spirited is over staying visas or stealing across borders and driving down wages and taking jobs from the citizens of the country you have invaded. E-Verify is free, simple and 99.6% accurate. It has been upheld as a legal requirement in Arizona through a number of court rulings. "
BULL wrote on Jan 13, 2009 8:31 AM:
Casper Resident wrote on Jan 13, 2009 8:59 AM:
Delaware Bob wrote on Jan 13, 2009 9:11 AM:
I e-mail two friends in Oklahoma and they tell me their law is working BEAUTIFUL! Schools are less crowded, hospitals are no longer overwhelmed with the illegals, crime is down, no gangs waiting on corners for jobs, people have their communities back and ALL businesses are on a level playing field...and unemployment is down a little.
If EVERY state would pass the Oklahoma law, we could have our Country back from this INVASION of the ILLEGAL ALIENS.
Then you have these so called activist groups that want AMNESTY for these ILLEGAL ALIENS. It would be absolute suicide for this Country if AMNESTY were granted to the 20 million or so ILLEGAL ALIENS. We have more and more people out of work everyday and they want to add another 20 million to this Country? I say, “NO”!
If AMNESTY were ever granted to these 20 million ILLEGAL ALIENS, you can bet big money that 3 years from now, there would be ANOTHER 3-5 million ILLEGAL ALIENS demonstrating on our soil for AMNESTY.
WYOMING, GET YOUR LAW PASSED! Other States will be following you can be sure! "
Onessimo wrote on Jan 13, 2009 9:56 AM:
Fiercely Independent wrote on Jan 13, 2009 10:49 AM:
Sid wrote on Jan 13, 2009 11:55 AM:
Is ILLEGAL... PERIOD, Im not racist, But I am a patriot, I love my country and beleive everyone should have an opportunity. IF done the right, LEGAL Way. I truly believe that illegal immagrants are slowly breaking our beloved country. There is legal steps to get into the USA, and if taken, then I am all for letting new immagrants become citizens. But when Our Government turns its back on its true citizens, and looks the other way when companies are hiring an illegal for Low pay, and getting rid of the LEGAL american citizens that truly brought thier buissness to the successful state. Then the company ceo's should be held accountable. I believe it should be a high felony for employing illegal immagrants. But lately it seems that our government doesnt care about its own people. We have good hard working americans, who cannot get a single ounce of help from the government. But yet we have an abundance of illegal's collecting benefits, Wellfare,and getting free education at the expense of you and me.
I mean trully what does it say when our own President elect MR. BARRACK O'BAMA, Has an illegal relative living in the USA illegaly, In public funded housing. Now I know that this isnt a new story, But come on. What ever happened to taking care of your own first. Im sure that someone will argue that statement. But hey illegal is illegal. I wouldnt get a free pass if I broke the law. So there is the proof, that there is truly some who are above the law.
I only wish the powers that be would help its own citizens, But if you do get any help it is so clouded with stipulations, that you are basically owned by them from there on out.
In closing I would like to say, Im not trying to affend anyone. I just think that America should take care of its own true red blooded people first. then try and help the world.
Thank You,
Sid "
sid wrote on Jan 13, 2009 12:07 PM:
C. wrote on Jan 13, 2009 12:07 PM:
This is so importnat on so many levels and states can take the initiative to protect its inhabitants.
Illegal immigrants - don't have auto insurance (most generallY) so if your in an accident and your daughter/son becomes crippled - guess what... sorry for you... that illegal hops back into their country of origin and your stuck with the bill.
I hope this bill passes! "
roughneck wrote on Jan 13, 2009 12:48 PM:
sid wrote on Jan 13, 2009 12:52 PM:
Again the poweres that be control everything, even so called freedom of speech.. "
coco wrote on Jan 13, 2009 1:10 PM:
Casper Resident wrote on Jan 13, 2009 2:27 PM:
Mike wrote on Jan 13, 2009 3:39 PM:
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OU812 wrote on Jan 13, 2009 4:03 PM:
What good does it do wrote on Jan 13, 2009 4:05 PM:
All of our problems now are directly related to the fact that we have to many people all competing for limited resources over time.
We are using up fuel to fast. We are creating garbage to fast. We are having to build new tracks of housing in places that should be left open space. Road rage, drug crimes, etc. All due to an endlessly growing population, and a population that thinks less and less of our laws.
Our laws were established so that we could all exist safely together and have an opportunity to prosper if we worked for it.
How can letting more and more illegal aliens, largely uneducated and corrupt people that disregard our laws, into the US be good for America and for Americans?
Can you pro-illegal aliens please explain exactly how your political position will improve all of our lives and make America better and not worse over time? "
Start Thinking wrote on Jan 13, 2009 4:13 PM:
Also note that over 144,000 Mexican citizens legally immigrated to the US last year, following the laws of this country. Those Mexicans followed the rules and used the system in place correctly. Why can't the rest of the Mexicans show some patience and respect for the country that they so desperately want to run away to? Were the 144,000 law abiding Mexicans fools to immigrate the right way and to respect the laws of the nation that they wanted to move to?
Perhaps our focus is wrong altogether. Perhaps we need to give Mexico some mandates. Recently the President of Mexico levied some on the US. He demanded that Mexican emigrants and workers in the US be given full rights. Now if you or I were arrested in Mexico for having no drivers license, registration or insurance following a routine traffic stop would we just be let go as most Mexican are today? The police know that the illegal aliens will never be seen in court, will never pay any fines and will never follow the laws. But you and I would have the book thrown at us.
Not knowing who these people are, or why they are here is dangerous to national security. This is particularly true in these less than settled times. Nations and non-nation entities have sworn to destroy the US and kill US citizens. How much would it cost a terrorist to "buy-off" an illegal alien? What might that illegal alien do for money? None of us know and under the current open boarder process we couldn't find out before a crisis if we had to, and we might have to, your life and that of your family could depend on that. Are you willing to sacrific a child to let the illegal aliens get their way breaking our nations laws?
Did you know that in the LA school districts there are schools that have 60% drop out rate and that these same schools (baby sitter services really) have illegal alien's children at population rates of over 60% in classes? These children of illegal aliens are not paid for by their parents taxes to attend the schools, so they attend on the backs of the Californian tax payers. Schooling these kids is also a waste of time as in Mexico kids are only schooled to about the 6-8th grade level. So when you send them home with home work no one at home can help them with their studies nor generally will anyone try since the Mexican culture does not value education. All in all the Californians with 55% of their states budget sunk into education are wasting their money. Wyoming may lag the nations in following trends, but we too in Wyoming are headed for the example set by California. None of the foregoing even mentions that high levels of violent crimes in the California schools systems that are centered around illegal alien children and their connection to gangs and drugs.
My examples above are just the tip of the iceberg. Illegal immigration is a nation wide problem that is in fact impacting America and Americans more each passing day. Feeling sorry for the poor and ignorant of the world is not going to make this problem go away nor is making the US tax payer pay for the failure of the Mexican and other 3rd world governments.
You folks defending these criminals tells me that you have given up on law and order, or that you yourself are a criminal too. It also tells me that you live by situational ethics, which have never solved any problems in the history of humanity. Situational ethics create problems, and make them worse. You need to reevaluate your values and try applying some actual logic to your thinking.
So, using your fine situational, subjective ethics, how many more illegal aliens can we absorb before the US is a 3rd world nation too? Is that your goal, the ruin of American society, or do you just not care until the problem is squarely on your doorstep? I am sure that you will whine like h_ll when that day comes, and it will using your bizarre thinking. "
Gram wrote on Jan 13, 2009 4:18 PM:
BabyBlu wrote on Jan 13, 2009 5:18 PM:
Celia wrote on Jan 13, 2009 5:19 PM:
flintknapper wrote on Jan 13, 2009 6:21 PM:
patriot wrote on Jan 13, 2009 8:24 PM:
Inky wrote on Jan 14, 2009 4:47 AM:
And although there are hundreds and even thosands of times more illegal immigrants in Arizona, the law failed in the first year, without a single prosecution of any businessman who hired illegals.
Not. One. Prosecution.
Not even with a bunch of hard-nosed prosecutors.
Also, there are a host of studies that say illegals do not impact our social services because illegals are afraid of attracting official attention. As for taking jobs from US citizens, how many of you want to work in a meat packing plant, pick tomatoes or make beds for a living? "
69Ford wrote on Jan 14, 2009 8:22 AM:
Carrier wrote on Jan 14, 2009 8:29 AM:
Unconstitutional? Really Linda? Please, lady, get real! If the Federal Government had done its job to begin with, the states wouldn't have to pick up the slack so much. States have every right to take care of their LEGAL residents first, period. Maybe you ought to be looking at states and cities where criminals, ie ILLEGAL immigrants are sheltered and given sactuary. THAT is unconstitutional, Linda. But why would the AMERICAN Civil Liberties Union want to help Americans and LEGAL residents? Oh yeah, that would be mean spirited. "
Lamp Lighter wrote on Jan 14, 2009 8:43 AM:
Juan wrote on Jan 14, 2009 8:51 AM:
ok wrote on Jan 14, 2009 10:26 AM:
Carrier wrote on Jan 14, 2009 10:40 AM:
jerry wrote on Jan 14, 2009 10:49 AM:
your grocery bill EXPLODE. Now, if you
believe that good ole Americans will
pick crops or work in slaughter houses, then, I have some ocean-front property in Arizona that you may be intererested in purchasing.
BTY, it was not Hispanics that attacked our nation on 9/11/01. "
TR wrote on Jan 14, 2009 11:31 AM:
FedUp wrote on Jan 14, 2009 11:32 AM:
Maya wrote on Jan 14, 2009 11:41 AM:
The current system allows for workers visas. My father worked in the Imperial Valley of California for 10 years under this program. Many of the bigger farms will only hire registered workers so that they do not violate the immigration or labor laws.
Few Mexicans bother to use this system as it is far easier to just jump across the boarder and not have to do the paper work or get a criminal background check.
Again, your attempt to incite fear is without justification.
Our grocery prices will be just fine having LEGAL workers picking the lettuce and so forth. "
Wayne wrote on Jan 14, 2009 11:43 AM:
Ben wrote on Jan 14, 2009 12:25 PM:
-Ben Franklin "
Okie wrote on Jan 14, 2009 12:33 PM:
I live in Oklahoma and I'm telling you that our HB1804 has accomplished nothing except casting suspicion upon every Hispanic in the area. Over the last year, 1804 has been responsible for 3 whole arrests resulting in slaps on the wrist. Half of the racist legislation has been tied up in lawsuits for over a year and may never be fully enacted. What a waste of time and money! "
Horse Flop wrote on Jan 14, 2009 3:43 PM:
Julie wrote on Jan 14, 2009 3:51 PM:
Lamp Lighter wrote on Jan 14, 2009 10:14 PM:
Viola wrote on Jan 15, 2009 12:50 AM:
Our politicians must stop illegal immigrants and all their advocates from using ex stream loopholes, excuses, strategies, to defined illegal immigrants wrongdoings, they are being allow to break all laws in America, that no American are allow to do. and they think of it as being nothing, Our American Constitution should not be changed for their purposes, Some like our Politicians, new president, to tell them that they are wrong, they need to not all so much compassion for them get in the way of our American laws, they need to enforce our immigration laws America already have!!
Our politicians need to hurry up, and stop illegal immigrant from using our American birth right law they are taking fully advantage of it,
they continuously to use this to make their children instant American Citizens, multiply themselves, helping their Hispanic race to become the over populated race in America,
leaving American citizen forced to endure America turning into a new Mexico!
American are left so voiceless to this matter, we are to just ignore all of what they do in America, millions of illegal immigrants are employed in America while millions of American citizen are unemployed. yes illegal immigrant are Human, American citizen are Human also, and they also have statuses to America, so why all of sudden illegal immigrant are better then American citizens?? "
Okie wrote on Jan 15, 2009 7:24 AM:
It's titled "1804 law nets 3 arrests"
After one year, arrests for transporting illegal immigrants are low...
www dot tulsaworld dot com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20081026_11_A1_spa745544
Read it and weep. "
FREEDOM FROM THE GOP NOW wrote on Jan 15, 2009 8:34 AM:
Okie wrote on Jan 15, 2009 8:52 AM:
charliemontoya wrote on Jan 15, 2009 10:07 AM:
crazy people are fun wrote on Jan 15, 2009 3:36 PM:
Why?
Their family had to save money, and work hard to become citizens.
They had to wait for hours, sometimes days in line, to become citizens.
They had to study American history, and the English language to become citizens.
The illegal immigrants want to skip all of these things, and jump right into being a citizen.
There was no money saved up, or hard work involved to jump a fence.
They may have had to wait for hours, but that was to make sure they could cross the border without being seen. Not to be interviewed, and checked for health problems, or investigated for illegal activity, that's for sure.
Many do not speak English, and don't
want to learn. They also know little of American history or government.
So, while I consider myself to be very liberal, I am very conservative when it comes to this topic.
To those that think that no American would want the jobs that illegals take, how can you be so sure?
There are a lot of unemployed people that would love to be able to bring home a paycheck and have some pride in themselves again, even if the money isn't much.
If they've been laid off, and the unemployment runs out, what can they do?
Many Americans had these jobs before illegal immigrants enabled rich business men to become richer by paying them less.
If you're uneducated, and have no aptitude for computers, but are strong, and work well with your hands, what is there available to you?
You can't get the low paying jobs because someone that isn't in this country legally has taken them before you can get there. You won't be hired because there is a minimum wage enforced in this country, at least for those that are legal citizens.
So, spare us all the "American's won't do those jobs" speeches. It's not true, and if it is, then maybe we should be given the chance to learn first hand. Send the illegals home, packing, unemployed, or what have you, and we'll find out soon enough if that's a fairy tale, or not. It's the "you'll never know until you try" kind of thing. "
Carrier wrote on Jan 15, 2009 4:42 PM:
Bye bye wrote on Jan 15, 2009 5:22 PM:
The wrote on Jan 15, 2009 9:01 PM:
Edie wrote on Jan 16, 2009 5:10 AM:
Edie wrote on Jan 16, 2009 5:14 AM:
" Keep the illegal immigrants out and watch
your grocery bill EXPLODE. Now, if you
believe that good ole Americans will
pick crops or work in slaughter houses, then, I have some ocean-front property in Arizona that you may be intererested in purchasing.
BTY, it was not Hispanics that attacked our nation on 9/11/01.
I see you approve of people working for slave wages. Why do you think illegal immigrants are so popular with businesses and the chamber o commerce. They don't call it "cheap" labor for nothing. But you don't care about how much it will cost taxpayers to provide medical, educational, etc. for millions of illiterate and poor illegal immigrants, do you mastuh? "
Christinaj wrote on Jan 16, 2009 6:50 AM:
I am so tired of everyone saying that these people are doing jobs that no one else wants to do. My husband worked for a concrete business there where they did all things concrete. It use to be that concrete finishing was considered a skill and those that did it got paid well. The same is true for carpenter and roofers and many other forms of construction, but that is not the case anymore. The people that get hired are those that will work for less.
I worked in a hospital there and I can't tell you how many of these illegal workers would get injured on the job and would be working undocumented. There are roads in Reno where you could drive down and pick up someone to help you for the day and not much pay. Some employers would do this. Then one of them gets hurt, there in no workers comp. When they are injured badly and need tons of medical care, there is no one to pay for it and medical care isn't cheap. And who absorbs the cost of this, the people that pay to have medical insurance and taxpayers.
And what about when the illegals get into criminal trouble? Let's say some illegal is drunk and driving an uninsured car and hits someone and kills them and then they get arrested. Their family puts up the bail money for them, they get out, go back to their country and then come back under a different identity. Where is the justice for the family that lost their loved one? Of course I guess in a way we save money here because we don't have to pay for them to be locked up in prison but it still isn't fair for the family suffering.
I don't care if they come from Mexico, Germany, Russia, or any other country in the world, but they need to do it legally. My family came from Germany and England in the early 1900's and they did it all legally. Why should we start giving free passes to anyone that's them? Doesn't that cheapen the American way? We are all trying to achieve the American Dream here, but in the past that always meant lots of hard work and we just let everyone take easy street to get there, then the American Dream isn't worth much.
I am all for diversity and love meeting people from other cultures and learning about other cultures, but I want everyone to get here legally. It protects all parties involved. Yeah, sure, it might take a little extra hard work and extra time, but that's how it should be. American citizenship has always been a special achievement for those that desire it, shouldn't it stay that way? "
Wyoming Redneck wrote on Jan 16, 2009 8:56 AM:
This is the message that I get from reading the comments on this subject. I hope you are all proud of yourselves for looking like cold, uncaring, hateful, biggoted hicks. You make me ashamed of our state; some of us are not that way and don't appreciate you making us look like redneck hicks. "
Susanna wrote on Jan 16, 2009 11:43 AM:
Friday, January 16, 2009 9:14 AM MST
SALT LAKE CITY -- A man who was shot on Interstate 15 during rush hour last week has died.
The Utah Highway Patrol says 18-year-old Cesar Ramirez died Thursday from his wounds.
The highway patrol says the evening shooting on Jan. 9 on I-15 was gang related. The shooting caused the closure of the freeway while police investigated.
Officials initially thought the shooting may have been a road rage case related to texting while driving.
Police are still looking for a suspect in the shooting. "
Susanna wrote on Jan 16, 2009 11:46 AM:
GREENFIELD, Calif. - A father is accused of trying to sell his 14-year-old daughter for marriage in hopes of getting money and 150 cases of beer in return, Greenfield police said.
Macelino de Jesus Martinez, 36, was arrested Monday on suspicion of trying to arrange to have his daughter marry Margarito de Jesus Galindo, 18, for $16,000, 100 cases of Corona, 50 cases of Modelo beer, several cases of meat, two cases of wine, 50 cases of Gatorade and 50 cases of soft drinks, authorities said.
The girl moved in with Galindo and when payments were not received, her father called police to get his daughter back. "
highmarkin wrote on Jan 16, 2009 12:19 PM:
Hector T wrote on Jan 16, 2009 1:43 PM:
Randi wrote on Jan 16, 2009 2:50 PM:
Carrier wrote on Jan 16, 2009 9:41 PM:
And "The". You're comparing apples and oranges, there buddy. "
the wrote on Jan 17, 2009 3:47 PM:
Wow wrote on Jan 17, 2009 3:50 PM:
Carrier wrote on Jan 17, 2009 5:46 PM:
Speaking in generalizations "the" is the same as saying all (insert race/creed/sex here) are (insert specific stereotype here). Again, it's apples and oranges. "
Ejucated wrote on Jan 17, 2009 6:13 PM:
For example, how many of you half-wits responding to this thread are uninsured and/or can't afford to seek medical attention when needed? How many of you are facing foreclosures on your homes because you can no longer afford your variable rate mortgages? How many of you are facing unemployment as industries tied to the price of oil begin downsizing? Odds are that the majority of you should be raising your hands.
And what are our heroic buffoons in Cheyenne doing to address these pressing issues? Nothing! They're too busy debating how to stop the influx of illegal immigrants into the state (who, in all likelihood, make up less than 0.5% of the states population). Y'all need to put the energy behind your prejudices to more productive use and begin pressuring your elected representatives to address the issues that matter... "
Man from Casper wrote on Jan 17, 2009 6:42 PM:
What I find interesting is the hypocrisy of those opposed to illegal immigrants. If every illegal immigrant in the U.S. vanished, our economy would crumble.
How many of you eat lettuce, tomatoes, and other vegetables? How many of you eat meat? How many of you, when traveling, eat at restaurants and sleep in hotels? My point is this: We ALL benefit from the cheap labor of illegal immigrants.
But heaven forbid illegal immigrants need health care.
We can't have it both ways. "
Christinaj wrote on Jan 17, 2009 8:34 PM:
I believe in my post earlier that it benefits everyone if they go through the legal means of getting here. I really feel that it helps any immigrant from any country in the sense that they won't end up working for less money and be without health insurance.
I know that there are less then desirable jobs out there, but why do we have reserve those jobs for illegal immigrants? Is that all they are worth? And I am being called a bigot because I think that people that break the law should be treated as criminals?
What I am seeing is those that are all for doing nothing about illegal immigrants want it that way because they are cheap labor and that people want to continue to exploit illegal immigrants and use them in this modern-day form of slavery.
And also, while all you screaming for the rights of these individuals and whatnot, you have to remember that if we do this for Mexican immigrants, the rules should be allowed for ALL other countries. Just throw the gates open and let everyone in no matter what, no questions asked. Sounds great!!!! Hey, then no one will have to worry about outsourcing anymore because cheap labor will be in abundance. Of course, all the US citizens would be unemployed, but hey all those that wanted to break the law to get here would have everything they wanted. "
emcee wrote on Jan 17, 2009 10:27 PM:
well wrote on Jan 18, 2009 3:37 AM:
The use of half wit, buffoon, etc either makes you the same type of bigot or just a person doing self analysis. This is unfortunate as it really adds nothing of substance to the debate.
There is no problem with legal immigration but if one cannot legally enter then how can we expect them to follow other laws that bring order to society. I would be interested in your suspected stats on population figures along with how you determine what is important.
I suspect you are secure in your job or retirement (for the time being) and do not have to care about feeding a family or a providing for a residential dwelling when jobs are scarce even more so with persons not legally here doing them even if it is just one illegal working along with declining economy.
In regards to meat packing and (the failed to mention) construction jobs I am aware of many citizens or legal immigrants who would jump at the jobs. To state a legal resident or a citizen would not do the work is absurd and indicative of lack of knowledge via making a generalized assumption.
Further Man from Casper. if you think produce is any cheaper being picked by illegals makes a difference in price you are living in delusion. The owner is just making a bigger profit at the expense of cheap labor.
Christina your first point makes no difference and is invalid . Those convicted and sent to prison get food, health care, and a place to stay at the taxpayer expense IE free to them. those of us not incarcerated are saddled with paying for it our selves or going without.
I will agree with you on the let one let them all though issue. But that would promote anarchy as failure to respect rule of law and national sovereignty a point the pro illegal supporters care little about if they have taken time to think about it at all.
Just remember those who call you a bigot when you make your observations lack the social skills to debate an issue so rely on name calling to avoid the real issue or think everyone is like them. It is also indicative of a failed education system and a failure to teach civility and cognitive reasoning skills. If one only has to call a name then I guess those things are irrelevant as the debate is deflected to feelings rather than fact. "
pass House Bill 103 wrote on Jan 18, 2009 8:28 AM:
go figure wrote on Jan 18, 2009 8:44 AM:
Fiercely Independent wrote on Jan 18, 2009 4:06 PM:
What I find interesting is the hypocrisy of those that support illegal immigrants. If every illegal immigrant in the U.S. vanished, our economy would get a much needed boost to fight off high unemployment rates of legal citizens.
And heaven forbid that legal citizens, who are having difficulty during these troubled times, are concerned about skyrocketing health care costs for illegal immigrants that have not duly contributed to the system. "
WyoNative wrote on Jan 18, 2009 4:59 PM:
Wow wrote on Jan 18, 2009 5:09 PM:
And Susanna, are you really that racist? "
Man from Laramie wrote on Jan 18, 2009 8:27 PM:
Facts R Cool wrote on Jan 19, 2009 8:13 AM:
Illegal Presence in the U.S. has always been a civil, not criminal, violation of the Immigration and Nationality Act. Deportation and the associated administrative processes are civil proceedings.
It's ridiculous to compare murder with immigration because illegal presence is about as serious as spitting on the sidewalk. "
Carrier wrote on Jan 19, 2009 8:43 AM:
Christinaj wrote on Jan 19, 2009 9:32 AM:
If I was driving 8 miles over the speed limit and got pulled over, I would be expected to pay a fine. This is not a very serious illegal action, but it is still an illegal action and I should have to pay the fine. Just like if I murdered someone, I should have to go to prison for a very long time.
Illegal is illegal no matter how big or how small. "
Sherri wrote on Jan 19, 2009 12:17 PM:
Any potential landlord, employer or government service agency has the legal right to ask for proof of identification of anyone seeking to transact any type of business with them. When there is any question about the legal immigration status of any person, then it is the legal responsibility and obligation of the person to prove the legality of their immigration status. In any case where there is any reason to believe that a document of identification or immigration status is false or belongs to someone other than the person presenting the document, then the landlord, employer or governmental service person is justified in refusing to transact any business with the person presenting the document.
No person in the motor vehicles division anywhere in Wyoming should grant vehicle registration to anyone who does not present legal proof of identification and if asked proof of immigration status.
DO NOT REGISTER ANY VEHICLE BELONGING TO AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.
DO NOT ISSUE A DRIVER'S LICENSE OR ANY OTHER FORM OF IDENTIFICATION TO AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.
DO NOT PROVIDE GOVERNMENTAL SERVICES OR BENEFITS TO AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.
DO NOT HIRE ANY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.
DO NOT OPEN A BANK ACCOUNT OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF FINANCIAL ACCOUNT FOR AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.
DO A COMPLETE SOCIAL SECURITY BACKGROUND CHECK ON ANYONE YOU SUSPECT IS USING A FALSE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER OR CARD, OR WHO YOU SUSPECT IS USING ANOTHER PERSON'S SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER OR CARD BEFORE YOU HIRE THEM.
ALERT EVERYONE (MEDIA, NEIGHBORS, LAW ENFORCEMENT) IF YOU KNOW OF AN EMPLOYER OR GOVERNMENTAL AGENT WHO IS HIRING OR PROVIDING ANY GOVERNMENT BENEFITS TO AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.
Do your part to save our state. We have every right to. "
Realist wrote on Jan 19, 2009 3:33 PM:
1) Work - The only way to solve this is to crack down on the employers who wish to circumvent our labor laws by hiring illegal immigrants to save on labor costs. If they have to immigrate legally in order to get a job, they will do it legally.
2) Drugs - The only way to stop the drug cartels is to abandon the losing war on drugs, make them legal, regulate them, allow them to be produced in the U.S. by U.S. companies so as to eliminate the demand that is feeding their drug trade. Not to mention the hundreds of millions of dollars a year in revenues that could be generated through taxes.
If all we do is scream about the immigrants and blame them for all the problems in our country, we will never solve the problem of illegal immigration. The actual root cause of most of our problems in this country is our own GREED! "
69Ford wrote on Jan 20, 2009 8:24 AM:
Brave New World wrote on Jan 20, 2009 11:13 AM:
Two sided coin wrote on Jan 20, 2009 3:42 PM:
Brave New Ford 69er World wrote on Jan 21, 2009 1:29 AM:
Realist wrote on Jan 21, 2009 8:48 AM:
You need to learn how to read. I did not say that I support illegal mass immigration, but rather that I believe people who want to immigrate to our country should go through the proper, legal process; and no, the border cannot be sealed off; you can put up walls and fences and people will go over, through, or under them. The best way to stop people from illegally immigrating to our country is to remove the incentives that motivate them to come here in the first place. Fences are like locks; they only keep the honest people out. Stop Americans from hiring illegal immigrants and stop sending hundreds of millions of dollars across the border to drug cartels and illegal immigration will slow to a trickle on it's own. No Demand = No Supply "
Saurez wrote on Jan 21, 2009 10:20 AM:
They followed the rules. Were they fools for doing this the right way?
Tens of thousands of Mexican citizens work LEGALLY in the US every day under the provisions of workers passes.
They too follow the rules. Are they also fools for doing this the right way?
If the illegal aliens do not respect out immigration laws, what other laws with the selectively pick and choose to respect and obey (or not)?
We are either a society the believes in and lives by law and order or we are not. If we are not then we are not civilized at all.
Just because this is a hard issue to solve doesn't make it impossible to solve.
Just because this issue involves mostly a non-white minority group doesn't make it a racial issue.
Illegal immigration is a crime. Those that immigrate illegally are criminals. Those that help illegal immigrants are criminals.
If I, an American of Mexican extraction can see this and deal with it, so can the rest of you. "
Amy wrote on Jan 21, 2009 2:57 PM:
And I say; God bless them for working to preserve this nation as our brilliant founders designed it; a civilized and lawful place to live, work and raise a familiy. "
y tal wrote on Jan 22, 2009 7:59 AM:
Illegal immigration is a crime. Those that immigrate illegally are criminals. Those that help illegal immigrants are criminals.
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You are incorrect. Illegal immigration is a civil violation of immigration statutes, punishable only by fines or deportation. Those who immigrate illegally are NOT criminals. Why would you push to make it a CRIMINAL felony to aid or abet CIVIL noncompliance? "
Rosalio wrote on Jan 22, 2009 12:33 PM:
Are you confusing the word CRIMINAL with the word FELON?
Your grasp of English needs improvement hombre.
Or your play with euphemistic (look it up) terms to make illegal's seems less of a threat or problem is truly disingenuous (look it up).
So, you are either ignorant or dishonest. Either way, you're not worth listening to. "
y tal wrote on Jan 22, 2009 2:07 PM:
Civil noncompliance is not a "crime", even if you can't understand it. "
y tal wrote on Jan 22, 2009 3:42 PM:
Obviously your reading comprehension skills are deficient. "
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